Sunday, April 4, 2010

Fraternizing With the Enemy

If you can believe the movies, men and women can't ever just be friends. It's required by unwritten social law that at least one member of a mixed-gender friendship be all full up with unrequited lust, if not outright L-U-V. Psychology Today said it best when it summed up the media's role in perpetuating this filthy lie:

"A certain classic film starring Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal convinced a nation of moviegoers that sex always comes between men and women, making true friendship impossible."

There is only one socially approved way around this rule: Straight ladies can be friends with gay boys. But beware, het ladies! Those gay boys may only be pretending to be gay in order to grease the path into your pants! The jury's still out on whether straight boys can be friends with gay ladies, and I'm pretty sure no one's allowed to be friends with bisexual people (unless that person is Rickie), since they can't really be trusted with either gender.

Cinematic representations of friendship notwithstanding, the challenges of building strong platonic relationships in a culture that values romantic love above all else are real for everyone. Straight people, at least, have a guidebook for how to interact with their same-sex friends: Women gossip and shop, often commiserating about their boyfriends' foibles; men watch sports, drink beer, and complain about their girlfriends.

But those with non-standard sexual identities are flying blind. With no guidebook, it's hard to know with whom you're supposed to seek kinship -- those of your own gender, or those of your own orientation? And what if your gender or orientation is fluid?

Should we create rosters and categories? Choose from List A if you're in the mood for stein-clinking and rugby-watching, from List B if you need a manicure and a trip to Bloomie's. But what if you just want to have a potluck? What list do you invite then?

It's hard enough to build long-lasting friendships in the adult world without all these stupid rules about cross-sex relationships and how they're supposed to work. In a perfect world, people would just relate to each other as people, not as genders or sexual orientations or Democrats or Republicans or whatever.

Tell me, readers, who are your best friends, and what does your social circle look like? Are they homogeneous or heterogeneous  in their gender and sexual orientation? What about race, class, national origin? What are the challenges you see in relating to people that are unlike yourself?

Related posts: Boys of Facebook, Top 10 Reasons You Shouldn't Be Friends With Me

14 comments:

  1. "In a perfect world, people would just related to each other as people, not as genders or sexual orientations or Democrats or Republicans or whatever."

    Ah, the perfect world. That world which does not exist.

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  2. (Stopped by from IBTP.) I'm half of a longtime straight couple; our friends are couples, het, lesbian, and gay. (We live in San Francisco and know a lot of musicians.) At this point in our lives--late middle age, shading over into old--it's the longtime and the pairing that seem to be the main determinants; we have unattached friends of both genders, but the people we see oftenest and are most at ease with are in pairs of between 15 and 40 years' duration.

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  3. I'm a straight guy with about half a dozen gay or bi male friends and 3 or 4 gay female friends/acquaintances. I also have a ton of straight male and female friends. I don't know what this means, but I will say that up until recently I totally bought into the idea of the straight male/female platonic friendship being impossible. I think it changes as you get older.

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  4. Entropy - The fact that the perfect world doesn't exist is no reason not to try to improve - or at least understand - the imperfect one we've got!

    rootlesscosmo - Thanks for stopping by! I hadn't thought of the paired-vs-unpaired dichotomy, probably because most of my friends are single and I'm usually paired.

    Tim - Most of my bestie besties are boys, and most of them straight. I don't know what this means, either, except that male-female friendship can and does exist.

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  5. I'm a nerdy girl, and I've always just gotten along better with boys: I can't do my own eyeliner, but I can build a computer. Tons of my close friends are guys (guys I game with, guys I take classes with), and I've never felt any weird sexual tension/dynamic with most of them. Some people might argue that I'm just being an oblivious chick, and fine, maybe it's like that in some cases. But one of my best friends right now is a guy I've known since eighth grade (I'm in my last year of college now), and he's getting married this summer. I'm not jealous, and I get along really well with his girlfriend. I grab lunch with my male coworkers all the time (some married, some single) without issue.

    So, yes. If you can get past that "if the person is likable and of the opposite gender, I want to fuck him/her" mentality, it's entirely possible and very enjoyable. I'd probably shoot myself in the mouth if I were limited to friendships with only women.

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  6. I think men and women can be anything, including friends. I think heterosexual men and heterosexual women are unlikely to stay good friends for long, however. And partly that is the fault of insecure women, in my experience.

    I have a very good lesbian friend (straight guy here) and a few woman friends with some more or less acknowledged occasional sexual tension in one direction or the other. (Yes, I can tolerate being friends with a woman I find attractive, especially if I know she'd be a crazy person to date yet a good friend to keep instead... I admit though that if I'm not banging someone that that tension can get intolerable.)

    I have often had women I'm in relationships with have a problem with 100% of my female friends... even married ones, and even the lesbian one, but especially any of the ones that appear remotely flirty, which is unfortunately a normal MO that people engage in with the opposite sex even if not overtly attracted to them, especially after a few drinks.

    This is one of the reasons why I turn 38 tomorrow and am still single.

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  7. After dating a fair amount of my female friends in the past, and then losing them because we broke up, I stopped dating my friends. Now three of my closest friends are women and they're actually more stable friendships than I have with almost all of my guy friends.

    It's hard not to see an attractive woman as a sexual partner, especially when you get along with her so well. But once you do, the friendship can be very close. I recommend it if you're not so horny you can't keep it in your pants.

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  8. Yea, after we fuck.

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  9. No. Not in my experience. Only in the straight-man/lesbian dynamic.

    I'd been with women for 20 years. I have a good straight male friend. Known him for years. Few years ago, I found myself attracted to another man I knew. We got together a few times. I happened to mention to the good straight male friend I was having sex with a man who for whatever reason I was strongly sexually attracted to. I've known 'good straight male friend' for almost 15 years and the relationship hasn't been the same since I told him. Now that he knows I saw even one man as a sexual being... it's just gone downhill. Lots of sexual inuendo and double entendres (sp?)... Very uncomfortable.

    With straight men, I've discovered they won't 'be friends' with me - something more than a casual relationship - unless they know for sure I'm not interested in sleeping with them. Up until that guy I slept with, the 'I'm a lesbian' thing worked really well as far as convincing them...

    It's not a bad thing but women and men are different sexually and see sex differently. It's not a bad thing. We just all need to work within our parameters better. Understand and accept how we're different.

    But what do I know; I'm 46 and single.

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  10. Found your blog via Daisy - interesting stuff. Heterosexual men and women can have friendship relations. I had a very close friendship with a (very) heterosexual woman from when I was 19. She married twice and had a number of complicated relationships as well. My role was to listen as these sagas unfolded. We never slept together. I think there was something in both our heads that said 'this is different - it's not about that'. In fact (we were both only children) in the end we 'adopted' each other as brother and sister. that settled the matter forever we joked. We couldn't ever sleep together - it would be incest...

    Then she died - far too young.

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  11. i'm a bisexual male in a het relationship, and practically all of my friends are women as are my closest friends (both in france and here). a few friends are male, but not in a particularly meaningful way (we drink, watch movies, someone plays a video game and the end)

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  12. The following information covers local friends, and long-distance friends whom I try to visit whenever I'm in town.

    total 23

    race
    1 asian
    22 white

    class
    8 lower
    15 middle

    gender/orientation
    12 straight male
    1 bisexual male
    1 gay male
    14 male
    2 straight female
    6 bisexual female
    1 gay female
    9 female

    anonymized raw data
    (race, gender, orientation, class)
    w m s l
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    w m s m
    w m s m
    a m s m
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    w m s m
    w m b l
    w m g l
    w f s l
    w f s m
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  13. Addenda: I myself am w m s l.

    Of the women on the list, those I'm not attracted to (3) are partners (in some form) with other people on the list. This probably indicates some form of misogyny on my part.

    The fact that I would sacrifice any of these friendships for a romantic or sexual relationship could just be because I haven't had a girlfriend in years, but it's probably something deeper.

    I blame the patriarchy.

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  14. Since I know you personally, I'm going to go with the latter, not the former. Then again, I believe most people -- myself included -- can be easily blinded to the value of lifelong friendship when love/lust gets in the way. I'm one of the worst perpetrators of this. Intellectually, I get it. In practice? Not so much. And the list? AWESOME.

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