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| Sent to me by my bestie C. |
I want you to read the clever little comic on the right over there. If you can't see it, I'll describe it for you:
First panel: Male to female: "You're really pretty."
Second panel: Female to male: "I'm fat."
Third panel: Male, to himself, walking away: "My mistake."
This was sent to me by my friend from the wonderful world of Reddit. Naturally, what followed was a slew of comments from neanderthals whinging about wimmins and their "deep-seated psychological issues." According to knuckle-draggers on the internet, women do this sort of thing for one of two reasons:
- They're crazy.
- They're fishing for compliments.
Of course, there are varying degrees of untruth in these stereotypes. Sure, some women are nutjobs because some people are nutjobs. And some women are conceited and passive-aggressive, or trying to make their friends feel bad about themselves by comparison. Most of the time, though, the "you're pretty/no I'm not" response is a conditioned response to the act of growing up female.
(Have we mentioned the fact that "fat" does not equal "unpretty" yet? No? Well it doesn't. That them thar right there is problematic. Not to mention the fact that women are supposed to act flattered and grateful that some total stranger on the street has taken time out of His Important and Busy Day to evaluate and announce his assessment of their fuckability. Oh THANK YOU, your highness. I'm SO GLAD you want to prong me, whatever would I DO without your validation that I am worthy of your gaze?)
I could go on, but Reddit commenter AustinTreeLover said it better already:
"If a mother constantly tells her kid he's stupid, does the kid grow up to feel smart? Usually not. That would be abusive, in fact, because we know what it does to someone psychologically if we repeat something to him over a long period of time. This is how people are conditioned to believe something and anyone in the military, or who has trained animals or who has worked with children, knows this.
The comic would be more realistic if it showed the woman wake up, put on her ill-fitting jeans made for someone with no hips, watch one hour of television and see dozens of ads telling her she's fat, turn on the radio to hear how fat she is, walk by 100s of ads on magazine stands, buses, taxis, billboards and storefronts telling her she's fat, she gets to work and her co-workers are all talking about diets because they think they're fat, she goes to eat lunch and there are specials everywhere telling her to try low-calorie, low-fat, carb-free choices because obviously she's fat, then someone says, "You're pretty" and she says, "I'm fat."
Of course, this makes her "crazy" or she has deep-seated psychological problems. Later, when she says she regrets the comment, someone will helpfully remind her that insecurity is unattractive. She can't win.
This is why women think they're fat. Not because they're crazy, but because, at least American women, are incessantly told we're fat. All of our lives. We're conditioned to believe we are fat because it sells diet fads and cosmetics and exercise memberships and so on.
Companies spend billions and billions of dollars conditioning women to believe they're fat. Some of us have overcome it, but the playing field is not exactly level.
When we hit 40, it's considered a fetish to even find us attractive (a student told me the other day I'm a "MILF", so, I guess now I'm in a different porn category). However, we are still supposed to put up the good fight and look like Jennifer Aniston. If we fail, we've let ourselves go. If we spend too much on it, we're trying too hard or not "aging gracefully".
If we complain we're fat and we're not we're "crazy". If we complain we're fat and we are, we're told to fix it. And no matter what we look like, if we say out loud that we like ourselves we're conceited bitches. We're especially conceited bitches if we like ourselves and we turn a guy down.
So, some women are crazy and some women would be this way no matter what. But if you really want to know why so many women react this way, this is why.
... Sometimes people are fishing for compliments. But, we should ask ourselves why so many women feel that need to fish for compliments. Why does the same woman who fishes for compliments at home getting dressed for work doesn't fish for compliments at work regarding her work? Why is she confident in one area and not the other? Remember, she's supposed to feel ugly and she's supposed to feel confident too. But, not too confident. If she gives herself too many compliments or at the wrong time or in the wrong tone, we're back to conceited bitch."
In conclusion: Yeah, when you compliment a girl and she doesn't take it the way you want her to, it's awkward/disappointing. But before you freak out on her, examine your motives for complimenting her. Did you tell her she looked nice because you genuinely wanted to brighten her day? If so, her reaction shouldn't really matter to you. Or did you compliment her in hopes of getting something in return? You can tell what your motivations were by paying attention to how you feel about her reaction. Does it make you angry that she responded in an "ungrateful" way? Then you were probably complimenting her selfishly anyway, so get over it and don't do it again. Does it make you sad that she responded in a self-deprecating way? Then you probably actually care about her. Good for you. Now you can do one of two things:
- Say, "That's not true and we both know it. Anyway, how 'bout them Knicks?" A dismissal of the self-deprecating comment followed by a quick subject change will avoid the awkward "you're pretty/no I'm not" back-and-forth, and allow the conversation to continue with nary a skipped beat.
- Say, "You know, it's not like you to feel this badly about yourself, what's going on?" or "It really hurts my feelings to hear you talking that way about my friend, could you please stop?" or something like that.

I like queer looks from queer people at parties.
ReplyDeleteJust saying. :)
I wish there were a "like" button for this comment, because I would push it.
DeleteBut ferserious, actually, talking about patriarchal oppression and body image at parties would probably be a really good way to sort the cool people from the not-cool people in the crowd really quickly. And get queer looks from queer people. ;)
Yes! All so very well said.
ReplyDeleteEvery once in a while, logical people are on the internet! It's so awesome. ^_^ I don't have the patience that this commenter did to try to educate people on Reddit, but damn if I don't respect her (or him! I'm assuming here.).
DeleteThis is Jen, I'm just too lazy to figure out how to make my name come up.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed this and agree with it. However, due to my 30% weight gain in recent years, I'm not going to stop saying "I'm fatter than I was". This is simply because I've based it on my previous perspective, not the media.
Sidebar: If you tell me I'm pretty I'm punching L in the arm because you're much smaller than me and I would feel feelings about that (which I must avoid at all costs).
D'awww you're so purdy! Don't punch Special Ladyfriend, I took boxing, I can defend my own damn self! J/K, I'm a wad of cookie dough. No, really, it's scientifically proven that I'm 35% cookie dough. Turns out you really are what you eat. ... and you know what they say about goats. HA!
DeleteOK, enough inside joking for the internet for now. Even if you are 30% fatter than past-Jen, you are still not fat-Jen. How bout them Knicks?
I've just gotten to the point where I don't want to be physically evaluated at all. I grew up hearing "you'd be so pretty if you just lost that belly" from family so I think I've walked the gauntlet enough, thanks. My typical response to anyone saying anything like that is what you posted, "I'm so flattered that you took time out of your Busy Day to evaluate me and deem me worthy of your gaze." Besides fluffychasers creep me out. It's weird when you are a walking fetish.
ReplyDeleteYou make some excellent points though. I think if people would just learn to compliment women on the stuff they do as opposed to what they look like or wear it would go smoother.
OK so I looked up fluffychaser and here is what I found:
DeleteFluffychaser: A person who chases bunnies in extremely awkward places, such as a shopping mall or a college campus.
I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant, but it made me giggle anyway. Like, there's some brigade of people releasing and then catching bunnies for shits & giggles in suburban shopping malls out there in the world. Ha!
It would be really great if we could compliment people on what they do or accomplish or think or are instead of how they look, wouldn't it? I find myself giving a lot of fashion compliments, because 1) I genuinely enjoy fashion, and 2) I am seeking to connect with women I don't know very well - work ladies or workout ladies, generally speaking. It's hard to compliment them on their accomplishments if I don't know what they are, but I could/should definitely try harder.
Lol, I didn't know it was a real word! It's my take on chubbychasers which are men who like fat women, but like in a creepy fetishy sort of way. That comedian, Gabriel Iglesias, better known as "hot and fluffy" is where I got it. He defines the levels of fat in one of his bits and I always liked "fluffy."
ReplyDeleteOohhhh, that makes way more sense than the packs of bunny chasers! :P
DeleteYeah, fetishizing any physical attribute is definitely not cool. I see a lot of faux-empowering shite out there crowing about "Real Women Have Curves!" or how men want "something to hold onto," yadda yadda, and it's just such utter shite. Because it's the opposite of the normal message we get (skinny = sexy) people think it's progressive, but it's not. "Real" women have all different kinds of bodies, some with curves, some without, and it shouldn't matter AT ALL what their bodies look like. Or, actually, whether or not they're "real," whatever that means (I assume bio-born? in which case, eff that. or maybe umm "nurturing"? In which case, eff that some more).
"Real" in this kind of sentence--"real" women, "real" music, "real" Americans--strikes me as a way of disguising a normative standard (since the speaker is in charge of deciding what's "real" and what isn't) as a neutral statement about the objective world. It's ideology in the bad, mystifying sense--social relations rationalized as natural ones. "Real women" = "biology," as in "biology is destiny;" sorry about the injustice, it's just a fact of nature, get used to it.
ReplyDeleteYES. Precisely, perfectly put. "Real" is a normative standard as determined by the speaker. So all this rallying around 'curves' or whatever the Thing of the Day is, is indeed just a different normative standard. Further proof that the nonconformist is a mythical, unicorn-like creature.
DeleteWell, the real nonconformist, anyway.
ReplyDeleteYeah, "exact" definitions of social categories are very suspect. The people who run the Olympics have tied themselves into knots trying to establish once and for all how to assign athletes to Men's or Women's events; last time I looked they seemed to have decided on Barr bodies (which I had to look up) while stoutly resisting the idea that gender is socially constructed. It's sort of funny: they're actually engaged in constructing it.
Imagine allowing one's self worth to be influenced by the remarks of random strangers!
ReplyDeleteImagine indeed. I had forgotten how "allowing" hourly social more bombardment influence one's thinking and behavior was a sign of personal weakness. I guess the millions of people participating to varying degrees in cultural conformity are just a bunch of weaklings. Silly me!
DeleteYou may misunderstand my intent. But that's OK.
DeleteWell don't I feel like a cad! I take all the sarcasm font back, then. Carry on.
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